Elf
 

Some help for begginer players.
Here is my building list for you:
Elf/Sage
200 acres
House 20%: 39 /population 2535/Employment: 95%
Store: 5
Farm: 26 Pf:2262 Cf:2286
Barrack 11%:21 /1092 Archer for max defense
Fort 10%:19 /988 Archer
Temple 20%: 40 /5200 Mages
Inn 25%: 50 /2600 Thieves
Strong undergrund.
Somebody make me a list of warior elf or wizardelf?(200 acre)

this is not max defense. you need about 15% tower.

I had 12% barracks and 12% towers, and it worked very well.

21 barrack 19 fort?:confused:
than rather 20/20

And i won't suggest a wizard elf, or a warrior, but it depends where:D

I guess the reason behind the 2 plus barracks that he has room for training... So it's not a bad idea....

I never train:D But actually maybe not a bad idea, yep.

thax
 

Thank you for the tips.
Can somebody write me a building list for 1000 acre,( Elf/Sage for thieving)?

Elf/Sage
1000 acres
House: 188 /population 12220
Store: 10
Farm: 115 Pf:10092 Cf:10681 ( 16 rounds are covered )
Barrack:150 /7800 Archer
Fort (15%):150 /7800 Archer
Temple: 170 /22100 Mages
Inn: 217 /11284Thieves

So basically you only have to check it twice daily to feed ( really not much )
And if you want to steal from a half elf then ( after some spells casted on it )
You can steal through about 10500 thieves.
And you're pretty strong in defence.

this is impossible, of course.

i put the datas into the "hodito 5 tools" program, and with 50% readiness the half-elf defense points are 21227, the elf attack points are 16756 (100% readiness)...

both country are sage, 100% military mood. and the distance is 2 rounds. (the half-elf uses the special spell of course with 12000 dweller.)

the half-elf is much more powerful thief than an elf.

Yes but with 50% readiness and after 3 readiness spent on killing thieves from 10500 you can penetrate them while he can't really do the same for you.

Oh, and forgot to say, that you should count with about 200 people or dunno actually it depends which level.

what 200 people?
and what level are you talking about? there is no matter!

you talked about 1000 acres. OK, me too. your elf has 12000 people, the half-elf has only 200? no way...

your 11300 thieves of elf have absolutely no chance to steal from a half-elf with 10500 thieves. killing + tiring or not. no real chance.

you have to kill min. 2500 thieves and have to tire 50% on the half-elf. and than you can steal 1 or maybe 2 times (!) from 2 rounds distance. or else you will fail.

8000 half-elf thieves (with 50% readiness) defense points: 16173
11284 elf thieves (with 100% readiness) attack points: 16756.

it has no point about it.

(and i think, if you have 11300 thieves, the half-elf will have 13000-14000.)

Sure they would have more, but what I was talking about is:

Not how many people the half-elf has, but how many people are actually in the group. if the distance divided by the number of people in the group (or more) than it doesn't make any difference, but if you take less, it does.
If the half-elf haas 8k thieves with 50% readiness and you have 11300 with 100% than you can steal about until 80% readiness, but you take scrolls, so next round you can take more and in three days you got all, but he can't steal through you.
Of course it differs if he buys the scrolls back, or steals it back ( not if you tire them always )
but my point is that an elf should be stronger in mages to tire and kill the half-elf than more thieves and about the same amount of wizards.
Because of course than half-elf is stronger.
Tell me if I'm not right, but with this kind of elf build i survived until 2/b fine

no, you have to calculate ONLY the dwellers of the half-elf country. not the whole group.

You don't know anything about stealing than, read help:)
If you are stealing it actualy matters how many people are in the level.
You're talking about the Shadows spell, which has nothing to do about he stealing itself, just raises your power.

hm, it means "you know nothing!" it is a little too strong reflection, isnt it? or did you mean "you dont know something"?

and cut here this help section please about shadows and the connection of the whole group, please.

Sorry about the expression, i was just too annoyed that you dont get what i meant, but i see that you still dont do.
It has nothing to do with shadows it has something to do with stealing.
Read the bottom of thievery help.

i have no country now in queosia, i see the help only in hodito, but i didnt find anything what you are talking about. please copy here this block.

Modifying formula: difference between ranks of your country and the opponent's country * 20 / number of the players in the group.

If the result is less than 1, then you must count with 1. Your opponent's defense strength must be multiplied by this number.

i found it in hungarian version. and you are wrong! read the help text above this block. the original block has 3 paragraph, not 2! you didnt copy the whole block. and the truth is is the 1st paragraph:

"... beyond spells ..." (or something)

hey man, the spells are in matter, and BEYOND spells, this rule is right. but you forget the 1st paragraph.

of course, the shadow is good for attack and for defense too...!


and the hodito tools calculate the shadow for defense too (asks the dwellers). check it out!

You two are talking about two completely different things.... :P

You are wrong.
I had 10400 thieves my elf, found a half-elf with 11500 thieves, and I stole all of the half-elf's scrolls ;)
First I killed as much thief as I could.
When the wizards were ready again, I tired the half-elf's thieves, opened a portal, and stole everything. About 4% of the thieves dies in one kill. 9* kill~8k thieves survived. About 5 rounds later wizards are ready to tire the thieves ;)

That's what I'm talking about, thanks Xeper:)

Hm, what about if the half-elf has only a little less mages than you? Or he has a giant mage ally....

So - what you say is managable sometimes, but absolutely not an ultimate solution....

xeper and hammi: you were talking against logical thinking. i dont believe you all. maybe that half-elf had too low military mood, and/or didnt use the true seeing + shadow spell, and/or just the readiness was on the floor + you cursed much more than -50% readiness.

normally you have no chance to steal against good constructed and protected in-game half-elf with other races.

everything... all of the scrolls... and theese are simple white lies.

sorry, but i dont believe you both. and i think i know the steal rules well enough.

I think not, because you don't know about the importance of how many people are in the group. Anyway, sure, he didn't steal all of the scrolls because it's impossible, but it's not what he meant exactly and you know it.
He stole most of them.
And actually at 1000 acres, an elf is much more stronger than a half-elf.
On low acres a half-elf can be really good, but just check if you are in hódító on 2/b for example and with a half-elf you get ripped.
A well-bulit elf can be much stronger than a half-elf.
And we're not talking about allies, because than the elf can have a mage ally too wich is stronger than the giant mage ally of the half-elf, and 2 warriors which massacre the whole army of the half-elf, and they have much more money, etc.
In 1v1. around 1000 acres the elf is stronger. Overall I mean, because of course the underworld power of the half-elf is maybe more, but less effective overall.

:mad:
I dont care your logical thinking, when I can do it in the reality!

The half-elf's military mood was 99%, had both shadow and true seeing, cursed 60% readyness, and after these, I could steal whatever I wanted. Doesn't matter if it was scrolls or money (first it was better to steal money, so I stole scrolls only 6 times). The only thing you are right is that the half elf had 7xxx thieves after the kills, not 8000.

Remedy: you are right, it's not an ultimate solution, but it works in most cases :)

Play the game -not just theoretically!

I think you have to construct 2 countries, an elf and a half elf. And then we will see whos right : )